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Hi Carlo

Well im not so happy to say that England or should i say London are not taking things as seriously as they should infact the most important people in are parlement are ON HOLIDAY can you beleive that as Britian hits one of the worst times since the world war 2 the very people who have the only power to do anything about this are not even in the contry and are certainly a million miles away in mind of those people who died.

Where i beleive that some level of privicey should remain i do think

‘Italy, one of the cradle of the democracy (?), has decided that for the foreigners the DNA check is not a choice anymore, even if the police should take their hair or blood through violence.’

this to some level is a good idea now i know frank will disagree with me as well as you but like you said if they have done nothing wrong they why would they mind some DNA being taken now from my point of veiw if they have to use violence to get it off of them my first thought is well what the hell did they do that was so bad that they don’t want them to have some hair or blood after all we have lots of it and if it means that it could save just one person why not, that one person could be you or Fabiana, would you not be thankful then ?

This is where its all getting out of hand especially in London Police are frightend to do there job incase they offend or are seen to be racial, racisam is a huge problem not just in London everywhere and i don’t condon it but, these people are killing and if the police suspect that anyone ANYONE weather they are black white, mixed race or puple are involved in something that might harm people they should have the right to do what they have to do, Do you know the man that was arrested in Rome for trying to blow up more people, in London but failed moaned that he wasn’t be treated wel enough and he had HUMAN RIGHTS he is an animal and doesn’t deserve human rights he was willing to kill dozens more people and he wants rights the man should be killed and if he was in america he probably would be, or would at least get a heavier sentance than he will in England, and what will happen ? he will be free and next time he will succeed.

‘And if you will arrest someone who is not a terrorist? Will you apology for having tortured him?’

You said this and again i say well if they have done nothing wrong they won’t mind co-operating with the police,where i never used to agree with harsh torture i think im now for it this the only way these people can understand and they wouldn’t torture unless they were pretty sure, the Brazilian man in London is a prime example, we ran he jumped overthe barrier at the train station and ran onto the tube wearing a coat a russian would wear in mid winter i Moscow it was the hottest week of the year in England OF COURSE the police were susppisouse, but did they shoot this man with no warning ? did they gang up on him? was it because he wasn’t english is that why they went after him? the answer to both is no twice they told him to stop or they would shoot and why did they run after him ? because they felt he was a danger to the people of London, yes he died but he was warned and he kept running so the police had no choice, a terrible tragedy, on the other hand this man was in England illigaly thus why he was running. My point is surely its better to be safe than sorry i don’t mean kill people this was a once off i hope besides until now british police NEVER carried guns.

I do agree with you email checking is extreem but right now i think they are panicing and they are thinking of anything that might make people feel safer doesn’t mean i agree with it.

‘From january 2006 all the italians will have to change their Identity Card, replacing the old one (in paper) with a new plastic multifunctional card, where your fingerprint will be stored. If someone has nothing to hide, he shouldn’t be worried having its own fingerprint saved somewhere in the police headquarters, but the changes are not so limited!’

This is a great idea and England should and will hopefully follow suit maybe this would mean the checking of all emails phone calls ect: wouldn’t be needed.

ok and lastley you said ‘I do not know about London,’
well let me tell you ill give you a link to read and you can see how london is dealing with things right now thats everything that is going on http://frank.dimono.com/blog/index.php

hope i didn’t bore you too much hahaha take care and keep your veiws flowing

Posted by Katy on 3 August 2005 @ 5pm

Hi Katy!

about the DNA: do you really think that the DNA (taken with the force) can solve anything? I do not. I think it is an act of violence. If you (government) want to do something like this, you have to decide to sample the DNA for EVERYONE who enter in Italy AND live in Italy TOO!
If we want to save someone we should do some other steps first… Go away from IRAQ, stop pretending to lead the world with our idiot democracy and malfunctioning economy!
And remember that the DNA can be used AFTER some attack, maybe to prevent other attacks… but I do not belive in this power of omnipotence this government is trying to show…

And about the man arrested in Rome: are you SURE 100% he is guilty? You cannot treat a man like an Animal, even if he is a killer! He MUST receive a right trial and if found guilty he had to pay for what he have done, but he is a Human Being, maybe he belives in other ideologies we couldn’t understand, but WE ARE RIGHT!
And what about the man shot down in London with five bullets in his heads? He was Innocent!
Everyone deserves a right trial, and everyone deserves to be treated as a Human Being, else WE would be the animals, because WE will lower our status!
London Police have killed an innocent man. maybe he was running with his iPod, maybe he was happy to go back to his girlfriend. He WAS LIVING HIS LIFE!
Are you SURE abouth what the policemen has done? If they had the order to shot to the head, do you REALLY think that they would have warned a possible human bomb? Not everything that shines is gold!
…and remember that NO EXCUSES has been made from the Britons…
Sorry, katy, but I do not agree with you!
Torture is something that is out of my thoughts, out of my nightmares! What are we?

We will NOT be safer if someone will read my mail, but the governments will be more powerful because they will be able to CONTROL us.
and I do not think that the link betweek the fingerprints and the security is so hard…

In ’70s Italy was under the “Red Terror Period”, years when Comunists people (the society was -or is- called Brigate Rosse) shoot down a lot of people with bombs, guns and so on.
This period is not over yet, because the Brigate Rosse killed a politician some years ago.

Terror is Terror and people react to it in a very similar way. Are you German? Are you American? Are you Italian? Are you Britons?
It does not matter.
Probably the terror will come to Italy too because of our government idiocy about the war in Iraq, so we will share what London is living nowadays.
This is not something I like, but we have to understand what is going on.

I HEAVILY CONDEMN TERRORISTS AND TERROR ACTS! But go and take a look at the numbers of Iraq. Look at how many people (INNOCENT PEOPLE) have been killed!
For what?
For Money!
In Europe they are Terrorists like we are in Iraq.

Let’s remove all european troups from Iraq, Afghanistan and such places and we’ll see that the things will change.

Don’t take bad my words, but I think that those repressions of the Human Rights, of the freedom and the privacy is something our politics tried to do for a long time and that they have done thanks to this terrorist acts.

I do not belive that the truth is a merit of the politicians.
I do belive in conspiracy and cruel intention. And not only from terrorists!

Bye

Carlo

Posted by Carlo on 3 August 2005 @ 6pm

Hello

do you really think that the DNA (taken with the force) can solve anything?I do not. I think it is an act of violence. If you (government) want to do something like this, you have to decide to sample the DNA for EVERYONE who enter in Italy AND live in Italy TOO!

If we want to save someone we should do some other steps first… Go away from IRAQ, stop pretending to lead the world with our idiot democracy and malfunctioning economy!

And about the man arrested in Rome: are you SURE 100% he is guilty? You cannot treat a man like an Animal, even if he is a killer! He MUST receive a right trial and if found guilty he had to pay for what he have done, but he is a Human Being, maybe he belives in other ideologies we couldn’t understand, but WE ARE RIGHT!

And what about the man shot down in London with five bullets in his heads? He was Innocent!
Everyone deserves a right trial, and everyone deserves to be treated as a Human Being, else WE would be the animals, because WE will lower our status!London Police have killed an innocent man. maybe he was running with his iPod, maybe he was happy to go back to his girlfriend. He WAS LIVING HIS LIFE! Are you SURE abouth what the policemen has done? If they had the order to shot to the head, do you REALLY think that they would have warned a possible human bomb

Well have a great day don’t work too hard and enjoy your week off next week

Posted by Katy on 4 August 2005 @ 8am

Hi Katy!

What I read is something I do not share, but if everyone wuold share the same ideas we would be a interconnected brain…. something like Borgs in Star Trek :)

No one is trying to lead the world well not in England

Katy, where is Briton military today? Why you don’t count Iraq as a Free nation?
If Americans, Britons, Italians would have INVADED Switzerland instead of Iraq, the entire world would have blamed them, but they don’t, only because Iraq is far away, because it has petroleum to steal and a different culture to subdue!
Come on, Britons, like Italians, are invading a nation! (By the way, Saudi Arabia government is harder than the Saddam’s one. Why do you think “allies” didn’t attack them?

some stupid human rights

Katy, you are talking about the difference between us and them!
We are Civilized, and the Stupid Human Rights are the things that grant us the freedom. If those Stupid Human Rights were not there we will not be able to write our own blog, because we wouldn’t be free to tell what we think!

so this man will probably walk free and let me tell you he wants to stay here in Italy in Roma and why ?

I don’t think he will never be free. Italian laws are not so good, but we will never reach those levels of stupidity! Please…

he was in England Illigally, his visa had run out and so, he was living in a country taking peoples money my mums, money my dad’s and living of working peoples wages

Hey! If you have to shot in the head to every immigrant you will be able to reach the level of Hitler!
“Lega Nord” (an italian political party) could think this is the best way to the immigration!
Katy, you have to think that the Immigrant are Immigrant because they have to run away from their land, from their families to grant them some food to eat! This does not mean that it is correct, but it means that OUR CIVILIZATIONS shold grant them more that they have in their home countries!

I can understand that this point is hot for you, because your family is in the eye of the cyclone, but we have a heavy weight to carry: show the world we are Righteous, that no bomb can stop our freedom, but in this case the terrorists reached their target.

We have lost a little bit of our freedom, a little bit of our democracy!

Our government let them WIN!!!

This are my thoughts, because I can see that the democracy we know is in danger, and the enemy are inside us!

Bye Bye

Carlo

Posted by Carlo on 4 August 2005 @ 9am

I don’t think he will never be free. Italian laws are not so good, but we will never reach those levels of stupidity! Please…

The point is, it is not Italians problem he committed crimes in London, and as soon as is possible he will be sent back, and London will set him free, then like he did this time he will be free to use a fake identity to come back here and like i said hit his next target.

Katy, where is Briton military today? Why you don’t count Iraq as a Free nation?
If Americans, Britons, Italians would have INVADED Switzerland instead of Iraq, the entire world would have blamed them, but they don’t, only because Iraq is far away, because it has petroleum to steal and a different culture to subdue!
Come on, Britons, like Italians, are invading a nation! (By the way, Saudi Arabia government is harder than the Saddam’s one. Why do you think “allies� didn’t attack them?

I hate the fact that british troops are out there infact my cousin once fought there, (thankgod he reaslised the arm was not for him) but at the end of the day these people know they are out there to do a job they are not forced they choose to, make the world a better place and i do feel they are trying to make the world a little better, of course no one an fix the world completly i mean look at Niger right now, but there are people in Iraq that can be helped, and this is what thoes people are trying to do yes there are people getting killed that shouldn’t of course that is wrong but they could save many more people.

Hey! If you have to shot in the head to every immigrant you will be able to reach the level of Hitler!
“Lega Nord� (an italian political party) could think this is the best way to the immigration!
Katy, you have to think that the Immigrant are Immigrant because they have to run away from their land, from their families to grant them some food to eat! This does not mean that it is correct, but it means that OUR CIVILIZATIONS shold grant them more that they have in their home countries!

do you know there are currently over 1 million illigal immigrants in England, thoes people are getting money from taxes payers and are living a better life than my mum is and a better life than me or frank would live, tell me how that is fair ? i agree that yes if they are fleeing because of danger of course they would be very welcome here but hand outs from our taxes NO WAY, i work hard from my money in England, why should i suffer because England is a good place to live and i get a reasonable good wage. And let me just say this particular man that was killed his brother lived in England too legally with a job supporting himself no problem my problem is illigal people that sponge off the the hard working England people in England, and this is what this man was doing, along with the idot bombers that blew themselves up the only difference with that was they were british. Hitler killed people because they were different, and i do not in anyway condon what Hitler and his army did, this is nothing like this, these people are not targets because they are different, but because they are not ligally able to be in a country.

Katy, you are talking about the difference between us and them!
We are Civilized, and the Stupid Human Rights are the things that grant us the freedom. If those Stupid Human Rights were not there we will not be able to write our own blog, because we wouldn’t be free to tell what we think!

i understand and these people can stop us from being wrongly accused but on the other hand it has gone far to far to the point when police can’t do there jobs, incase of offending. There is a man who is English in the year i was born 1982 he visit Australia and it was there thye found out he was a paedophile
and so ritely so he was put in prison for the many offensess just last week Australia decided that he could now be moved to an English prison and what did England do? say ok you may be free to sexually abuse some more children, they gavr him a save house and a new identity so no one knew who is was and so this man is living a good life a very good life and he is able to abuse all the children he wants,

this is Human rights at its worse :

HUMAN RIGHTS
THE crazy situation was highlighted on Friday as armed police arrested terror suspects — when one bomber was heard to moan about his human rights being violated. We have even had to watch the spectacle of the Prime Minister’s wife joining in the madness. QC Cherie Blair — who rakes in a fortune from human rights cases — praised Law Lords for their “landmark� decision to free 12 terror suspects last December to protect their human rights.

where is our rights ? pur rights to be protect from these idiots ? where are the polices rights ? the right for them to do the job they are paid for without worry. The point is these people get too many damn rights and this is why things like this happen.

i praise the English govenment they have done a great job of trying to control the situation, and they were well prepared for the attacks on London, im proud to say they did a good job and i thank the police for Putting themselves forward to help us and doing there job even though they get a bashing for it.

but if everyone wuold share the same ideas we would be a interconnected brain…. something like Borgs in Star Trek :)

Hey i agree hahahha.

Ok have a good day ;-)

Posted by Katy on 4 August 2005 @ 10am

he will be sent back, and London will set him free

Katy, since the beginning of this discussion you have put your entire faith in what is told (the shots, the bombing, everything that the newspapers reports) but now you doubt about your country law?
Come on, if he really is a terrorist he will be jailed for his entire life!

these people know they are out there to do a job they are not forced they choose to

What I mean is not at the level of the soldiers.
What I mean is at the Political level! The Politician has decided what is right and what is wrong! Where are the strides for peace? Where are the coloured flag that waved telling our government that we were against this war?
They are not making the workd a better place, they are carring fear, death and corruption to other civilizations!
In Iraq people wouldn’t be helped! They would be left alone to rebuild their nation with their rules! NOT WITH OUR RULES!

Hitler killed people because they were different, and i do not in anyway condon what Hitler and his army did, this is nothing like this

Yes, it is like this! every jounal is targeting the arabs. This is Xenofobia!

but because they are not ligally able to be in a country.

sorry, Katy, but I think these are bullshits!
Haw can you tell that someone is in England (or everywhere else) not legally?!?!?!?!?
Do you look someone in the face and you can tell that he is a clandestine?
NO! But someone is trying to let you think that everyone that is different is a menace for you!
They can be a menace for your life, for your money, even if they are in our country legally and works to get this world better!
But now they are the perfect targets, only because they are different, and different means dangerous!

police can’t do there jobs

It seems to me that “Killing at sight” is not a ruole of the democratic police… it resembles me some sort of dictatorship!

There is one thing I have to say: Human Being can mistake, but if you remove the Human Rights the mistake wouldn’t be one on one hundred. It will become one on one!
Do not stop yourself by some example. Think about this:
In a future where the human rights will be lowered the police will be able to enter your house, kick you, destroy your PC, send you in jail only because you have told that you think that your Prime Minister is doing the wrong thing!

The history teach us that the history have never taught anything!

Have a nice day!

Posted by Carlo on 4 August 2005 @ 11am

Katy, since the beginning of this discussion you have put your entire faith in what is told (the shots, the bombing, everything that the newspapers reports) but now you doubt about your country law?
Come on, if he really is a terrorist he will be jailed for his entire life!

Yes i have faith in London but i feel some of the laws are not correct and let me tell you England do not imprison ANYONE for life, because in England Life is not life like is 25 years no matter how bad your crime, so no i doubt he will be jailed for his whole life not unless England adopt some of the American laws, What i hear is not just in papers, it comes from the mouth of some of the most important people in England and London, they are honest and frank and when they make mistakes they admit it.

Yes, it is like this! every jounal is targeting the arabs. This is Xenofobia!

This is not true not to the extent you talk about after all these bombers are British and so everyone is a suspect of course the Arab’s are more likely to be targeted because a very large majority of these type of extramests are Arab and so i only feel thats fair, i know a few Arabs in London in fact my grandma is good friends with one and these people don’t feel anymore victimied than anyone else right now its these Human Rights people who THINK for these people and talk on there behalf when half the time they don’t really know what these Arabs (or indians or blacks) are thinking themselves.

sorry, Katy, but I think these are bullshits!
Haw can you tell that someone is in England (or everywhere else) not legally?!?!?!?!?
Do you look someone in the face and you can tell that he is a clandestine?
NO! But someone is trying to let you think that everyone that is different is a menace for you!
They can be a menace for your life, for your money, even if they are in our country legally and works to get this world better!
But now they are the perfect targets, only because they are different, and different means dangerous!

England has always had a big problem with illigal immigrants and it is monitored by a think-tank Migration Watch, no one makes me think anything infact the govenment in England are not worried about this its the british people and its not just people from other countries is our own people like the bombers that killed thenselves. I have no problem with people who want to come to England to work and better themselves if you are trained or seeking asilum it is very easy to move to England when correct channels are gone through and they are willing to support and make a better life for themselves they are welcomed with open arms and are treated like a british person. im sure it’s a big a problem here as it is in England so think where your money is going let me tell you it’s not just to the govenment its in these illigals pockets.

It seems to me that “Killing at sight� is not a rule of the democratic police… it resembles me some sort of dictatorship! There is one thing I have to say: Human Being can mistake, but if you remove the Human Rights the mistake wouldn’t be one on one hundred. It will become one on one!

You make it sound terrible, but do the police in Italy not carry guns ? what to they use them for to scare ? or to use them ? my point is until now police never carried guns infact i think England was one of the last countries to be given gun for there police, so considering only one is dead by mistake, how many do you think are killed by mistake in America ? im thinking more than one, it was a mistake no one is condeming it not even the police that killed him but HE SHOULD HAVE STOPED the point is he could have saved his own life and as far as the police was concered he was a threat to sociaty, a reapet may or may not happen if it does then im sure that the police won’t kill unless they have to and if they do they must have a good reason.

Bye bye

Posted by Katy on 4 August 2005 @ 1pm

a very large majority of these type of extramests

Really? How can you tell such a things? These things was told also during the Second World War against the japanese kamikaze. Do you ever paragon japanese to muslim?
And the Chatolic extremists? Remember that they have put Irland and Great Britains on fire during the ’80s, but you know this.
The fact is that ever faction has its own extremist and more you overwhelm them, the more the extremists come to the light!

The fact is that the governments are using these facts to strengthen their power on the population, because they know that the control is power.

Control is power despite of Human and Civil right.
Control is power despite of freedom.
Control is power despite of us.

What our grandparents have fought to achieve, through the wars, through millions of deaths, through idealism against brute force cannot be forgot!
We are lucky to live in nations that have already fought these battles, but we must remember that these rights can be lost if we forgot what does it means!

Living in a nation that does not respects your rights, or that lowers them, means that the populations are not understanding the importance of them.

Posted by Carlo on 4 August 2005 @ 2pm

would you not call people who choose to blow themselves up extremists ?
I will always remember one thing Tony Blair said in a speach: These bombers are not like those of the IRA because with the IRA there main thing was to make sure they survived out of there attacks what is worring is these people are willing to kill themselves to kill other.
I would certainly call these people extremists
they think that it is good to blow themselves and more to the point inncocent people up because they beleive it will better THEM no one else just THEM so they can go to heaven have all the girls they want and live in a life of God well let me tell you they won’t because i have been taught to beleive that everyone goes to heaven but those who are bad must work to prove themselves and i hope to God that God is making them work hard for what they did.

The govenment are using these facts, to united a country and one of its worse times since world war 2, not to use for an ultera motive, we are not in America now our country thank God is not run by George Bush, and i hope they use the power they have to give proper justice to these would be bombers.

The fact is that ever faction has its own extremist and more you overwhelm them, the more the extremists come to the light!
Do you mean that is because we provoked them they bombs us if so i think your wrong because like i said before they would have bombed us at some time anyway weather or not we had provoked them.

Yes our granparents did fight my grandad was one of those and if he were he now, he would be saying get out there and fight the bastards because if you read the news and if you see what the british people say they what to fight these people they want to stand tall and they want to show them they won’t beat us
England fought a hard war with Germany in the second world war but who came out on top ? we did it once we will do it again if the time shall come and like frank said if England want to go to war fully with Iraq they can and i think if they have to they will and they will win.

I think you think i have a problem with Muslims i don’t i have a problem with people bombing our country and wheather they are muslim or asian or english i have a problem, there should be no let up for these kind of people and if we show them that now then maybe we can minimize what happens in the future.

Posted by Katy on 4 August 2005 @ 3pm